[Competitive] Mill Rogue, +60% winrate[WOG]
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- 12 Minions
- 18 Spells
- Deck Type: None
- Deck Archetype: Unknown
- Crafting Cost: 7080
- Dust Needed: Loading Collection
- Created: 5/6/2016 (Old Gods)
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Hey people!
*this deck is definitely still working, but I've begun testing even further, to see if I can increase reliability of the deck. I suggest reading the comments for other peoples take on the deck aswell*
* I'm currently playing with 2 vanishes, because it seems everyone is playing midrange shammy
This is my competitive mill-rogue for the new expansion. I've done a lot of testing with it, and I'm finally happy enough to share it with you guys since I've been keeping a nice winrate.
First of all, don't complain about losing, because it's really hard to play, and in the current state of the game, mill-rogues are having a hard time IMO. You will sometimes find yourself unable to do anything simply because you've been a bit unfortunate, and you're sitting with 2x gangups and 2x prep from start. You will have many close calls, but that's just fun! (and it requires that you calculate the fatique!
The deck is build around the fatique-mechanic and getting there fast. I've finished people with more than 30+ fatique dmg, and only surviving with 1 hp myself. Spend time calculating!
Every game is different, and some times I break my own rules, but that's a necessity - You should do the same, play out of need. I will be putting emphasis by marking this with (*)
Mulligan:
The main problem I've seen trying out other mill-rogue tips/guides is the fact that they're trying to catch oracle or gang-up earlie/starting hand. That's just not gonna work, atleast not for me. Actually, that's one of my worst starting hands except full +4 or full prep/shadowstep.
The cards you should aim to get in your starting hand is something like: Nat, SI:7, shadowstep, backstab,
Getting Thalnos, shadow strike or king mukla isn't bad. However, I suggest only using Mukla if you have a sap (I'll explain later)
Surviving: Tempo vs Value
If you're not familiar with the expressions, I suggest you go look it up. IcyVeins has a good writeup that describes it pretty well.
Most of the time in earlie/midgame you should play for tempo, but only if you're opponent is dropping minions. If he's playing slow, then don't bother, because that's what you want. I suggest you try to focus on keeping your opponent on their toes if they're using an aggro/midrange deck. Of course there will be many scenarios in which a value-play is better, but in general, to survive earlie/midgame, I suggest the former untill you get your mill rolling.
I usually play to keep my minions alive, because with 12 of them, you have to.
Mukla:
This guy needs his own section. Why? Because he's that tricky to play.
Never play mukla on the board if the opponent already has a minion on the board. You're just letting him clear Mukla easy, wasting yourself a lot of potential.(*)
Play Mukla if you're certain you can clear what ever he will throw on the board. Preferably play him so you make your opponent waste atleast 2 mana + minioncost (in exchange for 2 mana zap) if he uses the bananas the round after. Don't zap if he does not use them.
Remember you can fill their hand and then zap, burning the minion.
Burning Cards:
When the opponent has 8 cards in their hand. You should consider the following: Do I want to burn cards? Or do I want to avoid him having 2 bananas. More than often, the latter in earlie/mid game is the better choice. (*)
If you want to burn cards, then combo it with an oracle or 4: e.g = against c'thun, it's always fun to imagine the rage when that c'thun explodes because of the "MY HAND IS TOO FULL". You will see insta-concedes.
Combos/strategies
A big thing about mill is, when someone has a full hand(10 cards) the rest will be burned. Therefore, Vanish, Zap and Kidnapper can all be used to make nasty minions burn in hell, if you fill up the opponents hand first.
Gangup should be used on Oracle(*). But using it on Refreshment vendor, disciple, bran or Nat can be just as effective. Especially vendor if you're running low on hp.
Use Thalnos to increase your burst, but if you're running out of cards, drop to draw. It's okay to use fan of knives to draw if you're thirsty for cards. It's a move I rarely make though.
Zap should be used in combo with Mukla(read Mukla section) or oracle, to burn the card you're zapping. Zap is also fine if you want to increase the odds of your minion to survive or triggering combo, because you should fight to keep them alive.
I recommend using brann with: Oracle > Vendor/Shadowcaster > Disicple (*). Remember you can drop brann, use a battlecry and put him back up in your hand with shadowstep. That makes it cheaper to draw 4 cards from one oracle aswell.
Vanish.. Vanish to survive or burn the board because of a full hand. Oracle into Vanish is fun.
I mentioned this earlier, but: If you're playing against aggro/midrange, play for tempo. If you're playing against control, then don't bother wasting your cards. You can play a good control game more than often.
3 tips for rookies
Remember that you don't have to burn all his HP on your turn. When you end your turn, he will take one more fatique damage, which more than often is your lethal.
Triggering iceblock in your turn means that he'll die by drawing a card on at the start of his turn. Freezemages HATE mill-rogues for this exact reason!
If it's the end of the game and your opponent has the board, but he's being fatique burned. Nat can be your 50/50 win. I wish I could see the faces of my opponents when they have board, I have 1 hp and I drop 3 Nats and they then die to fatique even though hope was a luxury at the time.
I LOVE BURNING CARDS AND MILL IS SO FUN, BUT I STILL LOSE:
I know you do.. I do too, but this deck is designed to win, so if you're using this deck, don't think that's your ONLY way to win. In the beginning I thought I had to play only focusing on oracle, which in the end just made me crash and burn, so I had to rethink my way of playing. I've won plenty of games by using gangup on nat the darkfisher or brann, simply because it's limitted how you can use your cards if you do not draw that oracle untill your last 5 cards.
This deck is fun and hard - it will be frustrating at times, but it's worth it when it works out.
If you find yourself losing more than 50% of your games, then you're playing this deck wrong. I've tried to explain as much as I can, and if the deck gets attention, I'll maybe do a strategy vs. classes. (winning against mages can be hard because of all the spelldmg, and fast-paced warriors can be hard due them dmg'ing their own minions leaving backstab/shadow strike useless)
I hope you enjoy it as much as I do, and sorry if it became messy, wrote this late at night.
p.s - If you're dying too much, you might consider changing the disicple for a Cult Apothecary
Thanks for your guuide. Im playing mill rogue for 1 day.
i decided to add reno in my deck list and its work great, cuz opponent going for face when relize you are mill rogue, and you can full hp in late game.
im seeing you got 1 vanish and kidnapper, never played kidnapper before and dont have it, should i craft it? Is he worth to craft in this deck?
let me know your idea, thanks.
I've been playing Edwin VanCleef to have a distraction, since I don't have Nat and don't feel like crafting a new legendary just to play a funsies mill deck. Sometimes he gets big enough in this deck to win it for you.
Hey SeY,
Thanks for sharing your deck :) I'm playing a different variant of mill rogue myself and was wondering how succesfull you are with your deck on the ladder. What rank have you achieved playing this deck? I'd like to improve my own decklist, and trying out some of the cards you have put in atm.
Looking at your list i really think you should put in a 2nd vanish.
Rank 8 is pretty sweet though :) I'm playing with an Earthen Ring Farseer and double Refreshment Vendor. With the amount of shamans on the ladder i find the heal very usefull. I often end up on turn 9 or 10 with brann + heal + coldlight. I also put in an extra Shadow Strike.
Hey! Im a rookie, and the deck looks super fun, but i dont have Bloodmage, kidnapper, Nat and Mukla. Is it even possible to play this deck without them, and in that case, what are the best replacements? :)
Why not just make this a wild deck? then we have deathlords, healbots, belchers, etc... This deck is just better in wild
this deck is gabbage in ranked mode. i tried to mill my opponent but he had yogg saron and i helped him to kill myself. 0/10 wont recommend to anyone
So when do you go about starting to mill? If you have like,Coldlight Oracle, Shadowstep, Sap, Backstab on turn 3; do you Coldlight -> Shadowstep? Or do you try to wait until you can get a big combo with Vanish or something?
And another question, is it correct to force the opponent to draw when they are low on cards? What if they are low on cards and they have something like an Acolyte of Pain out?
I changed the deck a bit - kidnapper out for another vanish, Beneath the Grounds instead of youthful brewmaster, and Cult Apothecary in for Assassinate. So far, only the assassinate has been proven to be actually quite useful in times, sometimes I wish the Vanish in my hand was one. But the other two, I think I don't regret changing it out. Finally got first win against a C'thun warrior! (Sapping Vek'nilash is really good because it just becomes a 7 mana 4/6 taunt.)
Any thoughts on losing kidnapper and adding a second vanish. I think 2 vanish necessary for all the N'Zoths right now always bringing back their death rattle minions. Vanish is so good vs that. And since almost 50 percent of my meta is N'Zoth Paladins....
and awesome guide. It's what I needed for this deck.
Edit: swapped Nat(didn't have him) for Vanish and working great. Very solid deck. Thank you.